to gkisseberth, what did you think ?? and what do you think ??

GKISSEBERTH ,  hi ,

LISTEN TO THAT HERE, CAREFULLY: http://www.newscientist.com/data/av/audio/article/dn16543/thomas_m_rebeli_larva.mp3 

http://www.newscientist.com/data/av/audio/article/dn16543/thomas_m_schencki_queen.mp3

" Congratulations" ... " Lastly "  !!!  YOU  ... WILL BECOME KNOW THAT ANTS HAVE VOICES ( OH,  I AM SORRY, I MEAN " very early " . ( EXCUSE ME PLEASE,  BECAUSE AS YOU KNOWN AS WE HAVE KNWON THAT BY HOLY QURA'N BEFORE 1429 YEARS AGO )

TAKE IT MY TEACHER, IT IS A FRESH NEWS  HAVE ENJOY :

1* http://news.google.com/news?q=ants&btnG=Search+News&hl=en

2* http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/ants-chatter-each-other-nests/story.aspx?guid=%7BEFE5A15D-C334-4355-9880-ECDB984370AA%7D&dist=msr_1

3* http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16543-parasitic-butterflies-dupe-hosts-with-ant-music.html

MIKE WELLCOME YOU WITH YOUR IDEA MY BRO. ,

AND I WANT TO SAY THAT I ALWAYS HAVE NOT STRGHIT WAY TO DO THINGS BUT I AM MOODY … SO I ALWAYS RUN AWAY WHEN I FIND SOMETHING BOTHERS ME … SPECIALLY FROM MYSELF .

JAVA WELCOME YOU ALSO WITH OUR START AND LAST STOP POINTS  .

I really like Gkisseberth so much..He is such a good person here..

:)

And one of my Hero in e-baby :)

At length, when they came to a valley of ants, one of the ants said: "O ye ants, get into your habitations, lest Solomon and his hosts crush you (under foot) without knowing it."

quran says in arabic قــالت (said) using the letter ت in  arabic which related to a female.

I think if we look to the ants cell we will find that there is one female which is the queen and the others are male.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-gK7Ag14u0&feature=related

(It's in Arabic)

RADUNAGI,

I AM SORRY, I AM NOT TRYING TO CLAIM ANY THING … BECAUSE I BELEVE "ALLAH THE LORD" OUR LORD WITHOUT CLAIMING ANYTHING …

I JUST FIND THAT IS FROM COMPELET ANSWER TO MY COMMENT AND TO COMPELET ANSWER OF GKISSEBERTH  WHEN HE WROTE ASKED " I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT ANTS DO NOT SPEAK … etc. WHAT IS THE EXPLANATION FOR THIS STORY? "

WE BELEVE ABOUT TWO THINGS EITHER ALLAH OUR LORD SENDS THE VICTORY OF TRUTH AND WE SEE IT OR WE MUST MEET HIM BELEVERS THAT THE VICTORY WILL BE SENT , TRUTHLY .

M HONOR,

YOU ARE THE BEST , YOUR NOTICE IS MORE ACCURANCE THAN MINE .

الله يزيدك من علمه وفضله … آمين

GKISSEBERTH,

THE SCEINCE ANSWERED YOU , SURE IF YOUR ASKING IS TO KNOW HOW PROPHET SOLOMON HEARD SOUND OF THE ANT WHICH HAS NOT VOICE (AS YOU WAS THINING )

BUT IF YOU ASK ABOUT THE MECHANISM OF HOW THE PROPHET HEARD THAT AND UNDERSTOOD IT… SO THEN YOU MUST KNOW THAT WE ARE NOT PROPHETS AND WILL NOT BE AS THAT … AFTERTHAT YOU MUST READ ABOUT WORD " MIRACLE " IN SOME DICTIONARY … MAY BE YOU FIND SOMETHING STRONGER THAN SCIENCE …

THANKS FOR ALLAH OUR LORD, I AM BELEVER … SO I DO NOT NEED TO SCIENCE OR SOME DICTIONARY TO KNOW THE FACT THAT ALLAH OUR LORD WHO CREATS THIS UNIVERSE …

Hekmer, Im fine if you want to say that Solomon being able to understand an ant was a miracle. But it certainly isn't any argument for the Koran being of divine origin simply because we now know that ants can communicate with each other using sound.

Thanks, gkisseberth!

Hekmer, your English is ok.  Just keep at it ^^

I feel that this story is clearly meant to be miraculous in nature, because ants cannot communicate complex thoughts by any means, sound or no.  So, not a scientific miracle, as it does not predict anything in particular about ants, but a spiritual miracle, focused on Solomon.  

If you've ever heard ants rustling around, you would think that was communication also.  The fact that some species of ants, that apparently don't live in the Middle East, can communicate through some limited sounds does not imply that they can speak to people.  That Gkisseberth was mistaken about ant communication is hardly a reason to assert that his larger point is incorrect. 

Javamanju's point is that if you say something that has already been discovered is a miracle, it doesn't really count.  Furthermore, since this type of story is already present in many religious and cultural stories from around the world many centuries before Islam, I do not think that interpreting this Surah as a scientific miracle is a correct viewing of the text.   

I am unaware of any Muslim scholar who was born before, say, 1900 that would treat this Sura as a scientific miracle either.  Does anyone know otherwise?

M_Honor - yeah, that's a problem with English interpretations of the Qur'an; it is difficult to replicate the genders.  

I have to disagree with your point, however.  Most ants in a colony are sterile wingless females; there are only a few male drones that mate with the queen, and I think they stay underground.  The females are the workers, soldiers, etc.