Converting to Islam: Would you think of doing it?

Who would convert to Islam? If so, why?

If not, why not?

If you're already a Muslim, why do you think it's the right religion? Why should one convert?

NOTE: I'm not a Muslim. I'm just interested to hear the different thoughts on the topic.

“If you consider their return is the destruction of Isreal, that because Israel is not a legal state.”

Example: If Liechtenstein (Pop: 35,322) let a few million Russians into their country suddenly, it would well change the makeup of the country, and eventually the populations might choose to just annex it to Russia.

“Algerian people are not like Italy or Nazis, My god.
Do you know what you’re talking boy.
Algerians are Nazis, this is your thought.
The people who fight for its freedom and justice are Nazis.”

That wasn’t my point and you know it. The point was that fancy words like ‘revolution’ don’t mean anything and can be abused depending on whose using it. I wasn’t comparing the Algerians or the FLN to Nazis.

“The rockets can back one second after a decision, so IDF didn’t make any success.”

Rocket attacks never returned to the same levels that they were just before the offensives started. Rockets flew in at 60 per day in the days preceding the offensive.
Indeed, if Hamas decided to start firing that many again tomorrow, there would be another offensive by Israel.

“Mr Fabs, there is no peace without justice, and Israel was built over the justice of a people.”

The creation of Israel was the return of justice for the Jewish people, by allowing them to return to their land after so long.

“60 years don’t mean anything, and there are many who stayed much more than Israel”

Will people like you be saying this when I reaches it’s 200th birthday? I doubt it.

“It we’re originally Canaanites, that doesn’t mean we claim it.”

I don’t believe this and there is no possible way to prove it. Even if they called themselves something similar to ‘canaan’ or something like that, there is no way to be sure that they’re the same as the Canaanite tribes in the time of Moses.

“No, Palestinians chose Hamas, because Fateh couldn’t do anything with the negotiation.”

That’s not the reason that I remember hearing. People as far as I know, after Arafat’s death, were sick of Fatah and their corrupt leaders, and chose Hamas as a protest, not because they thought that they would do a better job. Indeed I don’t see how a group which doesn’t even recognize Israel can negotiate anything with it.

“How many time the Torah told you that you’ll leave and return to this land.
The promise was for one time, and you want to use it for ever.”

The Torah, according to Judaism, is binding for all time, not just a few times. Gd’s promise and commandments are eternal.
I’ll give you the verse that religious Jews of all groups read every morning, which is from the Torah:

"When all these things which I have set before you, the blessings and the curses, are fulfilled in you, and from among whatever nations the LORD, your God, may have dispersed you, you ponder them in your heart:
then, provided that you and your children return to the LORD, your God, and heed his voice with all your heart and all your soul, just as I now command you,
the LORD, your God, will change your lot; and taking pity on you, he will again gather you from all the nations wherein he has scattered you.
Though you may have been driven to the farthest corner of the world, even from there will the LORD, your God, gather you; even from there will he bring you back.
The LORD, your God, will then bring you into the land which your fathers once occupied, that you too may occupy it, and he will make you more prosperous and numerous than your fathers.”

Deuteronomy 30: 3-5

“If you consider that Israel is a democratic state, it must build new houses to those Arabs, as it do with the Jews, but It doesn’t do that, because it doesn’t want to let the Arabs live in this land, and all the ways for it, is to make them lave it.”

And how do you define this? Many of these Arabs just spontaneously moved from other parts of Israel or the Palestinian territories and built these illegal houses and shacks in East Jerusalem. These Arabs did not live in the city before.
As for those that did, no, Israel shouldn’t simply throw out Arab residents that have always lived there, especially not without compensating them.

“The Arabs wee the majority there, and now became the minority, and Israel plan to keep them a minority by all ways, and this step in one of them.”

There isn’t much of debate on this point. The survival of the Jewish State of course depends on the preservation of a Jewish majority there. However this is not seriously in danger. There are no statistics, like you seem to say, that Arabs will be the majority there in 25 years.

“It’s know from the day that the God sent the text about it, the Koran was not given one time, but during more than 10 years, and the Text talks about Al-Aksa was in the middle of that, not at the end of the writing.”

The Al Aqsa mosque did not exist at the time of its writing, nor at the end of its writing. It was completed in the year 705. The Arabs captured Jerusalem in 637. The prophet died in the year 632.
I think anyone can come to the same conclusion: There was no Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem when the Koran was written, so as far as anyone can see:
Jerusalem is not mentioned in the Koran.

If you care so much about Palestinian rights, take these into consideration:

FAbs :

Maybe you should keep that word for your own religion as well. Jews don't tell the rest of the world how to live and how they should follow 1 single religion.

Good Job Mr Fabs, 

I really want to see your sweet face, why don't you give us this honnor.

About believing, we don't oblige other people to believe in Islam, but we let them know about the Israel and invite them to know more3

Danasar talked as it's the world opinion, and I suggested to her to une this world to show it's oponion, because not all the poeple have the same thought.

Oh yes sure, That makes perfect sense. You obviously know more about Israel than someone that actually lives there. Perfect thinking. 

Israel is an occupier state, came and stole our lands and throw our people, it has not history.

Israelis know about their own country and the threats they face from Palestinian terrorists on a daily basis. 

I say and I repeat, ISrael is an occupation, as it came, as it will leave, like all the occupiers of the world.

The only clueless person here is you, arabhamid, with your tons of propaganda images and articles, and zero idea about the facts on the ground.

Who say the reality and the truth became clueless !!!

If you talk about the Facs on the ground, we find the occupation in this land, this is the Facs.

and the palestinians are fighting for their freedom, for their houses, lands, towns…..

Bringing in the subject of Zionism is a red herring. The Jews in Arab countries had nothing to do with Israel or what was going on in Palestine, still the Arab governments took it out on them.

No one throw them out, the Zionist tried to make them live the Arabs countries, to make them go to Palestine, because the plan of zionist is to bring maximum of Jews in Palestine and throw the Arabic poeple from Palestine.

The Zionist organization made plans to make the Arabic Jews leave, like making problems with the Muslims and creating some fake fights with the Muslims.

In Algeria we know that, in 1940s some Zionists tried to make the Algerian Jews leave algeria to go to palestine, and when they refused that, they made a fake attack, as a Muslims attack a Jews, to let the Jews attack the Muslims, and by this way, the Zionists convince the Algerian Jews to leeave Algeria to go to Israel.

Zionist organization made several plans to let the Arabs jews leave their lands, and pretend that the Muslims who tried to throw them, and the reality is opposite of that.

The algerian Jews didn't go to Palestine, and they left Algeria to go to France and USA. after the indepences.

The plans of Zionists used terrorists way to let the Jews go to Palestine.

"in 1870s, after france occupied Algeria in 1830, France offered to Algerians Jews to have the French nationality, and didn't do that for Muslims Algerian."

And why do you think they did? 

Because the Algerian movements were as anti-Jewish as they were anti-French. If the French lost and left, Jews would be in danger

There were no Algerian gouvernement in 1870s, Algeria was under the occupation of France from 1830, and the Jews took the French nationality, against the Arabs that they were not able and not allowed to have French nationality.

The Algerian people were not against the Jews, the Algerian Jews lived with the Muslims for thousands of years; ùaybe from 2500 years ago, and they had no problem with the Algerian people.

When Frence occupied Algeria, the Jews forget their origine, and worked with France against the Algerian people.

After the independence no one obliged the Jews to leave Algeria, but they did that themselves, and because the Zionists warned them to stay in Algeria.

Last week, I was discussion with old people of my Home town, where there were alot of Jews, and they told me that they were clavers, and have good Jobs, and they were like the Algerian people.

Hmm. I didn't know Algerian Jews still visit, but why wouldn't they? It was their homeland once.

YEs, the Jews exist in Algeria from 2500 years ago, and they have the right to live in this land, but supporting Israel don't allow them to live here.

Look at the songer Anrico Massiass, he cry and want to go back to visite Algeria, but because he support Israel he can't come here.

We're not against the Jews, we're against Israel.

These aren’t fake reasons. They’re based on the mistakes Israel has made in dealing with Hamas in the past.

Israel didn't respect it, and didn't want to allow the food and supplies go into Gaza and power, and that made end to this dealing.

can’t be reasoned with, and the only language terror groups like Hamas understand is force. THAT is why Israel went into Gaza.

You mean the language of terrorization.

The Catholics of Northern Ireland used the same language to describe the UK when th Troubles were happening.

But UK didn't kill and merdur and destroy Irland for that, UK didn't kill the babies and women and old people, UK didn't destroy 10% of the Building in 20 Days.

So in theory no, the British came from Britain, the Irish were the original inhabitants.

So the palestinains, are the originals people, and ISraelis came from many other countries to take a land that it's not theirs.

And as I’ve explained, the IRA did not own entire territory to stage attacks from. The UK didn’t, like Israel did, hand over entire areas and towns over to the IRA, like Israel did to the Palestinians.

As the palestinians, have only a small piece of land, called Gaza.

Excuse me? Can you take yourself seriously with claims like that? The Palestinian ‘struggle’ has been almost exclusively a war on civilians.

No, the Palestinians group attack the israel army, not the civilians, this is our way, the civilians are not a goal for the resistance.

The few wrong attacks that happened, don't represent the Palestinians resistances.

Some those Attacks, were made by people who lost hope, whose famillies were killed by ISrael.

The bombs and suicide bombs are not allowed in Israel, and killing the civilians people are not allowed in Islam.

The Kurds do not have their own land, the Kurds are split between 1 Arab and two non Arab nations. The struggle between Turkey and the PKK speaks for itself, so no. I don’t think anyone believes that its solved.

The Kurds people are Muslims, and we solve our problems between ourselves, as we do in Algeria, and other regions.

We're all Muslims.

I'm a Amazigh man (Berber), and I'm proud of being Amazigh and Arab, as the Kurds and other Muslims do.

You like to live in the past, completely avoiding my point. I didn’t ask whether or not Saladin was Kurdish, I said that the Kurdish problem wasn’t solved.

The kurdish problem will be solves, because they're Muslims, and they lived with us for thousands of years, and this problem is a political problem, and it will solve, between the brothers.

Salladine open Jerusalem, and another one will open it against, maybe he will from turkey or Somaly or Indunissia.

A ‘resistance’ group that is likely behind the bombing of the Jewish Cultural Centre in Buenos Aires 10 years ago.

I don't agree with this Attack, but when you make crimes, wait the same thing.

Hezbullah is another one of the many movements in Arab countries that rise and fall, led by the same type of madman, just with a different fact each time.

Hezbullah is a resistance group against the occupation of Israel, and when there were an occupation, you will find resistance and Djihad.

Mark my words: Hezbollah will disappear from the pages of history, while Israel will still be there.

What is going to happen, is to have several Hezbullah in this region, from Palestine, Syrian, Jordan and Egypt.

those resistances group who will end this state.

No group has a right to violate the territory of any country and kill its soldiers. Its illegal for the hosting country, Lebanon, to allow that either.

Our lands are under the occupation, our prisoners are inside ISrael Prison, we are allowed to work to leberate our lands, and our prisoners.

even when a stone of our stones is occupied from Israel, we will keep resisting, to get it back.

the Resistince is allowed by all the religions and the international laws.

In the same way that its allowed against the USA

Where we have occupiued land, we are allowed to fight against the occupiers.

As far as I’m concerned, dogs parading around like religious figures

respect yourself Mr Fabs.

Yes, and you’d die by wasting your life. But at least I wouldn’t have to wage this argument anymore.

I would be happy to die for Palestine and Al-Quds, and if the God gave me another life, I would do the same, fight for our lands to the freedom.

All Muslims will be happy to die for Palestine, and I'm among them, fighting for ourfreedom and Quds is something wonderful that the God appreciate it.

So, I don't mind being killed several time for Palestine and Al-Quds, this is my honnor.

“The United Nations agreed with Israel that the area is not covered by United Nations UN Security Council Resolution 425, which governed the withdrawal from Lebanon, inasmuch as the Farms are not Lebanese territory, and the UN certified Israel's pullout.”

I don't know from where you brought that.

Shabaa is a lebanon land, and all the Arabs know that, and syrian and Lebanon agree with that.

Maybe one day UN come to say that Cuba is an USA land.

Shabaa is a lebanon land, and we will fight to it, as we fight for all our land under the occupation untill the freedom.

Ridiculous. The guerrilla group never admits its own casualties, especially not Hezbullah.

the truth is ridicoulus in your eyes, just because it's the reality that you don't like, that the world saw by its eyes.

The most advanced army in the Middle East that can pinpoint terrorist leaders as they’re leaving their homes for breakfast, has absolutely no need to target civilians. 

what the world saw, prove that Israel killed and merdured civilians on purpore, and some Israeli soldiers confessed that.

What you’re saying is just more propaganda to avoid reality and pain Israel as the monster.

We're showing the reality on the ground, we don't bring something from another Planet, all with prooves.

If the Arabs were as good as fighting as they were at making up stories, they might have won a war by now.

Is not us who make stories, it's who kill, who destroy and give reasons for what it did.

Let's see the map. Which countries recognize Israel compared to those that don't:

All the Arabic countries don't recignize Israel, Except Egypt and Joran, and the people of those two countries are against that, and every time they ask to break this relation, but the leaders of those two countries are controled by USA, and they're afraid of breaking this relation.

Almost all the Islamic countries don't recognize Israel, and considered as an occupration, and the few who recognize Israel are looking from some narrow interests from USA, it's why they recognize it, but their poeple are against this relation, and it come the day that they throw them out.

Example: If Liechtenstein (Pop: 35,322) let a few million Russians into their country suddenly, it would well change the makeup of the country, and eventually the populations might choose to just annex it to Russia.

The palestinians refugee were living in this land, for thousands of years, and they didn't want to change something.

You can Ask, why the Arabs were fighting the new comers, ebcause they wanted to change the facs of Palestine, and take its land, this is the real changing, comming from outside, the Palestinians want to come back to their land, the lands of their grand-parents.

That wasn’t my point and you know it. The point was that fancy words like ‘revolution’ don’t mean anything and can be abused depending on whose using it.

The revolution is to take your rights that were impossible to take without the fighting.

France owened Algeria for 130 years, and the Algeria people were not able to get back their rights and their lands without a revolution.

The Algerian revolution is from the greatest revolution in the world.

If there were nother people, they would say that having endependece from France is such a far dream, but the dream became reality by our hands.

Rocket attacks never returned to the same levels that they were just before the offensives started. Rockets flew in at 60 per day in the days preceding the offensive.

the Rockets are a means, but the Goal, we try to use it for some goal, for food and stopping the killing.

The creation of Israel was the return of justice for the Jewish people, by allowing them to return to their land after so long.

There is not return, there is an occupation, there is no nation lives in this land, only the palestinain.

you say Justice, does that mean killing and thowing hudrends thousands of people outside, and destroying thousands of towns and villages.

Does Justice mean take a land that it's not yours !!

Does Justice mean throw people out of their houses !!

Does Justice mean denying the right of people to live in their land !!

Does Justice mean steal a land that it's not yours !!

Does Justice mean to kill babies and women !!!

Will people like you be saying this when I reaches it’s 200th birthday? I doubt it.

The crusade believed that we will stay in the land that Israel is for ever, and they couldn't.

France believed that Algeria is France, and they will stay ther for ever !!!

Could they stay !!!!!!! No

Because its people claim it, and the Palestinians and Arabs claim all Palestine.

Israel stayed until now 61 years, and that doesn't mean they will stay for ever.

Crusade stayed more than 100 years.

France stayed in Algeria more than 130 years.

They left as Israel will leave.

I don’t believe this and there is no possible way to prove it. Even if they called themselves something similar to ‘canaan’ or something like that, there is no way to be sure that they’re the same as the Canaanite tribes in the time of Moses.

http://www.imninalu.net/tribes2.htm

As it was said before, the native people that the Canaanite/Hebrew settlers found in the land known by them as "Put" were the Amazigh, who have been since the dawn of history the inhabitants of the territory between Egypt and the Atlantic Ocean and from the Mediterranean Sea to the Sahel (Sub-Saharan Black Africa). Some of their tribes were often allied with Egypt and provided skilled warriors to the Egyptian armies. Notwithstanding, their territory or part of it has been successively conquered by different kingdoms and empires, beginning with the Canaanites, whose conquest was rather peaceful, almost purely commercial, followed by the less tolerant Greeks, Romans, Vandals and others, until the Arabs annihilated the native culture to impose their own totalitarian system, which resisted the further oppression exerted by the European colonialism.

http://www.banjoroots.com/w.a.lutesorigins.htm

The Amazigh—Agents of Transmission 

My own take on this is that the ancient Egyptian lutes were, in fact, the ancestors of the West African lutes… albeit, by a bit of a circuitous route. Here's how I see it: At some point, lost in the mists of history, the ancient Egyptian lutes were adopted and adapted by the neighboring Amazigh (Berbers), the indigenous people of Tamazgha—North Africa west of Egypt which is nowadays referred to by the Arabic term Maghreb. And it was the various Amazigh tribes who transmitted the plucked lute concept and lute-type instruments throughout North Africa and, subsequently, to West Africa, by way of present-day Mauritania and the Sahara.

My line of reasoning is as follows:



 
The earliest archaeological evidence we have of lute family instruments comes from the Uruk Period (c.4500-3100 BCE) of Ancient Sumer in Mesopotamia. Likewise, the archaeological record indicates that lutes were probably introduced into Egypt during the reign of the Hyksos (c.1640-1540 BCE), nomadic Semites from ancient Canaan and Syria. This being the case, it stands to reason that the route for the transmission of lutes into Africa must begin in the Middle East and go through Egypt, rather than the other way around.

http://www.speedylook.com/Berber.html

Ibn Khaldoun (1332 – 1406) made go up the origin of Berber with the Antiquity. According to him, they go down from Canaan, wire of Cham. It reports that the Arab genealogists agreed on the Yemeni origin of the Berber ones, except for Sanhadja and of Ketama.

http://phoenicia.org/

Afrocentrism
Afrocentrism is not without blame in smothering Phoenician contribution to the ancient world. Many historians and archaeologists of that persuasion claim that the Phoenicians Canaanites themselves were sub-Saharan African based on unscientific Biblical myths or some unfounded claims. They claim that the Canaanites were Hamites or associate the Punic with native aboriginal North Africans, while the latter and/or Berber are not even sub-Saharan blacks. They, therefore, deny the Canaanites their rightful place in history. Phoenicians of the Eastern Mediterranean or the Western Mediterranean (such as famous Hannibal or the Phoenicians of Carthage, Spain, Portugal, Sicily …etc.), the Punic, were Semitic speaking Mediterraneans.*

That’s not the reason that I remember hearing. People as far as I know, after Arafat’s death, were sick of Fatah and their corrupt leaders,

Israel which killed Arafet, when he didn't want to gave Israel what it want, Israel wanted that the Palestinians give up resistance, and accept the small thing that Israel give it to them.

Indeed I don’t see how a group which doesn’t even recognize Israel can negotiate anything with it.

All we don't recognize Israel, it you want to negotiate for a peace period, maybe for 10 years or 20 years or 30 years.

But sooner ot later all the rights have to come back to their owners.

The Torah, according to Judaism, is binding for all time, not just a few times. Gd’s promise and commandments are eternal.

The Torah was altered, and not the original version, and it was written hundreds of years later, and the last version and final was written after the Jesus.

The LORD, your God, will then bring you into the land which your fathers once occupied, that you too may occupy it, and he will make you more prosperous and numerous than your fathers.”

The God said that your parents have occupied this land !!

so it was not yours …

And how do you define this? Many of these Arabs just spontaneously moved from other parts of Israel or the Palestinian territories and built these illegal houses and shacks in East Jerusalem. These Arabs did not live in the city before.

My God, Forgiveness, you don't feel shy for yourself !!

The Arabs lived in this land before the Zionist came to this land, and they have the right to build new houses in their lands, and Israel don't allow them, because it wants to throw them out, and Israel is looking for the reasons to throw them out, and to bring more immigrated zionists from outside, and give them the Palestinians lands.

As for those that did, no, Israel shouldn’t simply throw out Arab residents that have always lived there, especially not without compensating them.

Does Israel build new houses for the Arabs, as it does with the Jews, this is the racism.

Israel destroy Arabic houses and throw them out, and bring new Jews to build instead of them.

by this way, Israel deminute the number of Arabs and gain new Jews in this town.

Racist state, and terrorist.

Jewish State of course depends on the preservation of a Jewish majority there. However this is not seriously in danger. There are no statistics, like you seem to say, that Arabs will be the majority there in 25 years.

http://theamericanprophecies.com/pdf/israelsnewleader.pdf

 Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barakat, Jews will become a minority in the city compared with the Arab population of Palestine within 25 years because of continued emigration. 


The Barakat, in a speech Friday at a conference of the Fund of Kern Hisod, the need to develop tourism in Jerusalem and the increase in the number of hotel rooms three times, he said, adding that the goal on which his mind is to visit Jerusalem ten million tourists a year within 10 years. 


Barakat and plans to deport about 1500 Palestinians from the town of Silwan in East Jerusalem from their homes, claiming they are demolished, according to media reports. 


And it comes with 88 homes in the Bustan neighborhood of Silwan east wall of the Old City of Jerusalem in the region dubbed "the garden of the King", and described the Israeli Antiquities Authority as "a great archaeological importance." 



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Jewish settler organizations, backed by the Israeli government and the Jerusalem municipality and the excavation work is being carried out by a very wide range of Israeli Antiquities Authority in Silwan and seeking control of the largest possible number of Palestinian homes in the neighborhood 

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The threat of demolition 
The Haaretz newspaper reported Friday that the member in charge of the Jerusalem municipality of East Jerusalem file Yakir Segev recently met with residents of Silwan and raised the possibility that they themselves voluntarily evacuate their homes and threatened that the demolition of houses designed for the ground had been built without permits. 


Residents said the neighborhood activists and human rights organizations in Israel's quest for the evacuation of the municipal population of Palestinians from their homes is not new and is succeeded by the Elad settlement, which seeks to control the neighborhood adjacent to the old town. 


Israel planned to demolish the house for a long time, but the mayor declined to be demolished because of international pressure. The Organizing Committee and construction in the municipality of Jerusalem has refused on Wednesday introduced a structural outline of Silwan residents can maintain their homes. 


It should be noted that the organizations supported by the Jewish settlement of the Israeli government and the Jerusalem Municipality and the excavation work is being carried out by a very wide range of Israeli Antiquities Authority in Silwan and seeking control of the largest possible number of Palestinian homes in the neighborhood.

The Al Aqsa mosque did not exist at the time of its writing, nor at the end of its writing. It was completed in the year 705. The Arabs captured Jerusalem in 637. The prophet died in the year 632.

This city was opened later, Prophet Mohamed prayed in.

When the Muslims open this city, where were not war, the Muslims and Christians made a treaty, and the Muslims protecketed the Christians there, and let them pray and woship the God, and keep everything as it was.

and until now, the Msulims and Christians in this land are very greatful for that, and they love each other, and they have  not problem between themselves.

I think anyone can come to the same conclusion: There was no Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem when the Koran was written, so as far as anyone can see:

The mention of Al-Aksa is very clearn and known from the first day, and this land was know from the Muslims, even they didn't open it from the first second.

The Israel didn't start from Al-Quds, as it start from Mecca, but this city was very important for the Muslims and was the first direction of our prays even before we start praying toward Mecca.

Al-Quds is the city of God and religions, and Muslims came to support that.

When the Muslims didn't change the population of this city, they kept everything as it was, the Church of the Christians were kept, and protected from the Muslims.

If you care so much about Palestinian rights, take these into consideration:

The right of palestinians refugee in their land, inside palestine, and they're waiting to come back to theri lands and houses.